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From "Ngunda's Room" in
New Age Wonks' Clubhouse   

Christian Seeker: We're already well into the new millennium, so I suppose the New Messiah has already been born. What is there about the passage of 2,000 years that made it happen?

Dove: The passage of 2,000 years did not and will not cause either the birth of the child nor the assumption by the Infinite Soul. Rather, the events mark the convergence of certain processes and trends. Neither the birth, the assumption, nor the death, was or will be exactly 2,000 years after equivalent events in the time of Jesus. And the receptacle of the new avatar is already fully adult.

Christian Seeker: What important happenings of the Second Coming will match events prophesied in the Apocalypse of John?

Dove: None of them, except coincidently and very loosely.

Christian Seeker: Then how will we know whether a claimed second coming is the real thing?

Dove: You will know. By the acts and impacts of the avatar itself, and by a very major geophysical event which will coincide with the avatar's death.

Don Samuelson: I hope you know your predictions are at odds with everybody else's. Why should we believe you?

Dove: Why indeed? It's not required that you believe. You will not be damned for disbelieving, or for anything else.

Don Samuelson: That sounds to me like a helluva wimpy religion.

Dove: It is not a religion at all, though you may think of it as one. Religions are a product of human beings, typically with a main goal of control, escape, or vindication, rather than enlightenment. And you are, of course, entitled to choose whatever religion you prefer, or whatever spiritual orientation. Including none at all. And to change your mind whenever you choose.

Skeptical in Muskogee: If each of us lives a whole string of lives, which of those bodies do we resurrect in?

Dove: In none of them. At the end of each life, that physical body ceases to be relevant. And when finally you graduate from the physical plane, you no longer use any body at all. Unless of course you choose to be a bodhisatva, in which case you'll have one last body, in which to undertake one final, specific task on Earth. But that is highly unusual.

Ananda: Some spiritual teachers say that whatever you believe with absolute certainty will come to pass. So if you believe without any uncertainty at all that you'll be resurrected, won't you be resurrected?

Dove: On the physical plane, there are universal realities, world realities, and personal realities. At the solo level, the individual level, your beliefs determine your personal reality, within the limits of world and universal realities. Limits which are broader than many would have you believe. While the shared beliefs of multiple humans influence world realities within the limits of universal reality. Notably through social and political forces that include religion, government, science, and technology. As for universal reality, it is a direct manifestation of the Tao.

And while each of us contains the Tao, and is part of it, the relationship is not one of identity. If you fill a bottle with ocean water, then seal it tightly and throw it into the ocean, it is of the ocean, and contains ocean, but it is not the ocean. Within the bottle there are no tides or storms, fishes or whales. But the bottle moves with the ocean, shares its motions, and has its own life-forms.

Let me elaborate on those "bottles." When we agreed to take part in the Earth School—our particular venue in the physical plane—we agreed to certain limitations that are hardwired into the "game."

Up Yours: That is the biggest heap of metaphysical, sophistic bullshit I ever heard.

Dove: What I said is metaphor. When the Infinite Soul manifests, it will not teach, because language, including metaphor, is not adequate to the subject. Through the manifestation, human beings will experience the Infinite Soul to one degree or another, and be changed by it.

Up Yours: That is still the biggest pile of bullshit I ever heard.

 

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